Public Release -1.5.1.23735 (5th march)-

[tronbrain]

If Intel is not willing to fix the issue then they still have a valid fix which is what was used in the past and can easily be added back by paying the licensing fee, but NO Boxee puts the blame on Intel and shrugs and says "We can't do anything to fix it, its Intel's SDK that is at fault, so go bug them."

I don't think Boxee ever once said, "Go bug Intel, it's not our problem."

The Intel CE4100 chipset was really aimed at Google TV, which flopped badly and was discontinued. Intel followed suit. Not surprising. Even the 200K units that Boxee sold in their Boxes wasn't enough to maintain Intel's interest.

Furthermore, there is little point in us Boxee users bugging Intel. It will not move them to action.

Since when was it ever a bad decision to go with Intel? Are you really suggesting that was a mistake? Ever heard the expression, "No one ever got fired for choosing Intel?" Intel does not have a record of abandoning its products or customers. You're suggesting Boxee should have seen that coming. But hindsight is 20/20. Perhaps it seems obvious right now, but at the time the decision was made, Intel's CE 4100 was the ONLY CHOICE of chipsets that could do what the Boxee Box needed to do. Without the CE 4100 chipset, the Boxee Box never would have happened. Tegra 2, which was the original platform choice, fell through. Nvidia completely bungled it, and left Boxee hanging. Intel came along with a solution and Boxee went with it. Good call IMO.

Question is, will Boxee Box 2 use Intel? I would bet the answer is yes. Whatever Intel has planned as a follow-on to the CE4100 will probably solve a lot of issues that limited the Boxee Box.

If it's any consolation for the rest of us, I suspect the fact that the Boxee Box has now been hacked will mean we'll eventually have a choice of OSes to install on it, including XBMC, Plex, and the open-source portions of BoxeeOS.

[darcilicious]

Also look at when intel announced the discontinuation of the chipset and when boxee chose to use it.
Which either makes boxee very short sighted or it was a money issue that forced them to go with a chipset that they knew was going to loose support soon.

I think you're a little confused about the timing and the actual details...

Sept 2010, Boxee announces Boxee Box on CE 4100 (probably made the decision even sooner given the Box started shipping two months later)

October 2011, Intel shuts down their Digital Home Group (but continues to sell and support the CE4100)

How was Boxee supposed to know what Intel probably didn't even know 13 months in advance?

EDIT: Heh. Speaking of Intel and TV chips, seems like they've done a bit of a 180 since last fall: Intel Chases Smart TV Business With New Chip

[tronbrain]

EDIT: Heh. Speaking of Intel and TV chips, seems like they've done a bit of a 180 since last fall: Intel Chases Smart TV Business With New Chip

Anybody want to bet the Boxee Box 2 will be using the Intel CE5300 inside? ;)

[darcilicious]

Anybody want to bet the Boxee Box 2 will be using the Intel CE5300 inside?

Between that and their deal with Comcast, I think it's a pretty solid bet

[Sphinx]

I think you're a little confused about the timing and the actual details...

Sept 2010, Boxee announces Boxee Box on CE 4100 (probably made the decision even sooner given the Box started shipping two months later)

October 2011, Intel shuts down their Digital Home Group (but continues to sell and support the CE4100)

How was Boxee supposed to know what Intel probably didn't even know 13 months in advance?

EDIT: Heh. Speaking of Intel and TV chips, seems like they've done a bit of a 180 since last fall: Intel Chases Smart TV Business With New Chip

Its true the official announcement wasn't made tell 13 months later but it was common knowledge in the industry what was happening it was merely a matter of exactly when. At CES that year it was break time chat what they were going to do and like we are seeing now they are back.
Intel never been stupid if they can't compete they get out tell they can make a better product and though maybe unfair to the buyers its makes perfect business sense.

Boxee would have to be completely and totally blind/deaf to have not known what was coming soon with the chipset.
I think part of it they had limited options and limited money so they went with something that they thought would do the job.
Its either all the glory or all the blame when you have full control and at the moment it seems to be more blame they glory for boxxe.


Classic new company mistake i would say about trying to get everything you promise maybe rather then doing most of what you promise perfectly.
Hopefully the sec gen is where they put what the learned and get it near perfect.
Putting this firmware on new hardware would put them out of business i would think but that just a opinion.

[tronbrain]

Its true the official announcement wasn't made tell 13 months later but it was common knowledge in the industry what was happening it was merely a matter of exactly when. At CES that year it was break time chat what they were going to do and like we are seeing now they are back.

What are you trying to say here? That before Intel released its first CE4100 platform, they were already planning on canceling it? What, was Atom just another Itanium?

Honestly, I think you're talking a lot of nonsense here.

[darcilicious]

Its true the official announcement wasn't made tell 13 months later but it was common knowledge in the industry what was happening it was merely a matter of exactly when.

I call bullshit, namely because GoogleTV was released using the same chip in the same time period.

(And what was this "common knowledge" exactly? That Intel was getting out of the smart TV business before Google TV had even launched? Or that Intel would return to the smart TV business just seven months after announcing they were getting out?)

Further, what other chip would any of these set-top box designers have chosen instead to have avoided this so-called blunder? You yourself mention "limited options" and haven't posted any alternatives that would have given as much bang for the buck. The Tegra 2 wasn't it. So...?

And last but not least, per my post, Intel announced closed down the smart TV division, AND said that they would continue to sell and support the CE4100. So say what you like, but until you can 1) back up your statements about so-called "common industry knowledge" with actual documented knowledge and 2) propose an alternative that would have been as good or better for the price, you're just another fly-by-night troll and not worth the effort responding to further.

EDIT: or quite possibly a very familiar troll...

[tronbrain]

If anybody screwed up on choosing chipsets/platforms, it's Iomega. They're the ones who released a product with a very soon-to-be cancelled chipset. I think they released the Iomega Boxee TV just a few months before Intel announced they would cancel the CE4100. Now THAT was a serious screw-up. Maybe not DOA, but close.

I wonder, how many Iomega TV devices they sold? I don't even think they released this product in the United States. I've not seen it here. They now have something competitive, which uses a different OS, similar to what D-Link did with its little MovieNite device. Combined, both devices probably sold just a few thousand units. On Amazon.com's list of best-selling electronics devices, the MovieNite is ranked #12,332. Both devices are well-reviewed, with few haters. They do almost nothing, but they do it well. ;)

http://www.amazon.com/Iomega-35045-S.../dp/B004I3VZM2
http://www.amazon.com/D-Link-MovieNi...ews/B00882OHL0

[T.Bone]

Well Boxee better do something big and fast.... No matter how good you think you are or how untouchable you feel there is always someone trying to come up and make dethrone you:


http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/07/o...media-sharing/

OUYA's slew of collaborations isn't letting up, even with less than two days to go before its fundraising round is over. The XBMC team has just pledged that its upcoming Android app will be tailored to work with the upcoming console. While the exact customizations aren't part of the initial details, the media center app developers will have early access to prototypes of the OUYA hardware. There's suggestions that there won't be much of a wait for the Android port of XBMC, whether or not you're buying the cuboid system -- XBMC's developers note that Android work should be merged into the master path once "final sign-offs" are underway. All told, though, the OUYA is quickly shaping up into as much of a go-to media hub as it is a game system.

Update: OUYA itself has also posted word that TuneIn's radio streaming is also on its way. And just to top off its efforts, the company has posted rendered images that better show the scale of the console: our Joystiq compatriots note that it's really a "baby GameCube" in size, and its gamepad looks gigantic by comparison.

[mike3]

Another reason why Boxee isn't dead.

http://www.boxee.tv/jobs/quality-assurance-engineer